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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Aug 27, 2012 12:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Light/White Heat (For those VU Fans)

Sorry bd, still prefer the original:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4AkDt_JRqk

This was the band that invented punk, but didn't know it (along with The Kinks).

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 27, 2012 1:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Light/White Heat (For those VU Fans)

Agree in principle; always pref'd the Kinks for entirely personal reasons...two very impt groups that's for sure.

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Poster: snori Date: Aug 28, 2012 7:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Light/White Heat (For those VU Fans)

There's a lot to like about the Kinks WT, and they have been credited with influencing so many genres it's hard to believe it's the same band. I think Waterloo Sunset gave other bands the confidence to tell stories from Small Faces 'Lazy Sunday Afternoon' right up to early Springsteen (Born to Run, The River).

I don't see the punk thing so much - definitely not lyrically. Although you could make a case for 'You really got me' as a template for the heavy riffs that followed a few years later.

And how about 'Lola' (1970) as the forerunner of the 'Bowie and Glam Rock' scene of the early 70s.

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Aug 28, 2012 10:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Light/White Heat (For those VU Fans)

The punk thing:

A lot of the British punk bands cited the Kinks as an influence.
Yes, as you say 'You Really Got Me' being a case in point. 'Dead End Street' too possibly.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 27, 2012 12:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Light/White Heat (For those VU Fans)

Agreed VU do it better, but thought it was a cool take by an elderly legend.

Thanks for your link.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Aug 27, 2012 3:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Light/White Heat (For those VU Fans)

Here is the original version done by the Velvet Underground with John Cale,not the "Lou Reed Band".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62ckXALWn1M

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Aug 29, 2012 1:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Light/White Heat (For those VU Fans)

As the Factory's house band,the VU's line-up changed many times. John Cale and Nico not withstanding.

In 1969, they were still 'The Velvet Underground', whether John Cale was in the line-up or not is purely academic.

He wasn't in the line-up for their eponymous 1968 album. But it is still a definitive and classic VU album.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Aug 28, 2012 11:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Light/White Heat (For those VU Fans)

I dearly love all the music created by the Velvet Underground in it's various incarnations,but without Cale the music feels less group oriented and more Lou Reed driven,also the replacement bassists were a weak substitution for Cale's abilities not to mention his viola playing,keyboard skills and composition contributions.It's sort of like comparing 68'-74' era Dead to say 76' Dead,while the 76' Dead at times can be fantastic it is never quite as good as the real deal 68'-74' band.Of course as always it really is just a matter of one's preference.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 28, 2012 2:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Light/White Heat (For those VU Fans)

"...while the 76' Dead at times can be fantastic it is never quite as good as the real deal 68'-74' band..."

This IS just a plain old FACT, eh? No need to qualify that at all...

;)

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Aug 29, 2012 1:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Another shameless hijack ...

I hope all is well with you and yours Billy T, and that you are avoiding the storms over on your side of the Atlantic.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 29, 2012 3:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Another shameless hijack ...

Yes, hot and dry currently...thanks.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Aug 28, 2012 10:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Light/White Heat (For those VU Fans)

Without a shadow of a doubt it is a fact as far as I am concerned,and since this a GD forum I assumed those sentiments needed no further explanation whether someone agreed with them or not,secondly it was just a device to make a point in VU thread and lastly I figured saying "of course as always it really is just a matter of one's preference",would satisfy having an opinion.

WT,I did not notice the smiley face at the bottom of your post until well after I responded as I was re-reading my response because I thought it might have seemed harsh,so I would like to apologize if you took offense because you are one of the nicest and least judgmental people here on this forum,which should have tipped me off to question and look at your post more closely.

This post was modified by jerlouvis on 2012-08-29 02:04:15

This post was modified by jerlouvis on 2012-08-29 05:08:45

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 29, 2012 3:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Light/White Heat (For those VU Fans)

No sweat; thx for taking the time, but no offense taken at all...just tongue in cheek there.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 28, 2012 11:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Light/White Heat (For those VU Fans)

He may be nice and less judgmental, but he's old, senile, and his knees give out when he goes to the post... and he only shows up in the playoffs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2A194yTWoQ

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Aug 29, 2012 1:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Light/White Heat (For those VU Fans)

@jerlouvis:

Very true: It's just different that's all. However, I agree that Cale certainly added something unique to the Velvets, that's for certain.

I guess by the same token one could describe the Beatles circa Abbey Road / Let It Be as Macca's band.

;)

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Aug 29, 2012 8:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Light/White Heat (For those VU Fans)

In full agreement and point well taken on the Beatles.